What I want to do in these essays about Goldberg's book is similar. I've read and agreed with many criticisms of the book, but I had hoped to be able to discuss and dispute this book without getting too heated by his admittedly provocative rhetoric. It seems like it's been progressively more difficult to do in light of recent events.
The right has taken Goldberg's theses to heart, and have invoked fascism, Naziism, and their tactics and ideologies in the debates over healthcare (see Sarah Palin's egregious lie about "death panels"). Meanwhile, there have been many incidents of people at these town hall protests carrying firearms. Such acts, of course, are acts of intimidation, and are certainly analagous to the actions of Mussolini's fascisti, though to be fair, there have, as of this writing, been no major acts of violence.
What is more alarming is the response the right, and Goldberg specifically has for the release (of parts, at least) of the CIA Inspector General's report on acts of torture committed by the agency and others. The report reveals information about acts of violence beyond the parameters set by the Bush administrations DOJ decrees, including threats of rape and death.
Goldberg replies to this with the most ridiculous argument imaginable:
I've long been fascinated with the disconnect between what pundits, politicians and various activist groups complain about and the status of interrogation techniques in the popular culture (here's a column I did on the subject in 2005). In countless films and TV shows the good guys — not the bad guys — do things to get important information that makesallsome [see update] of the harsh methods and allegedly criminal techniques in the IG report seem like an extra scoop of ice cream and a Swedish massage. In NYPD Blue, The Wire, The Unit, 24 and on and on, suspects are beaten, threatened, terrified. In some instances they are simply straight-up tortured. In movies, too, this stuff is commonplace. In Patriot Games, Harrison Ford shot a man in the kneecap to get the information he needed in a timely manner. In Rules of Engagement, Samuel L. Jackson shot a POW in the head to get another man to talk. In Guarding Tess, Nick Cage blows off a wimpy little man's toes until he talks. In The Untouchables Sean Connery conducts a mock execution.
Now, I know I will get a lot of "it's just a movie" or "TV shows aren't real" email from people. At least I have every other time I've made this point. So let me concede a point I've never disputed while making one these folks don't seem to grasp. If such practices, in the contexts depicted, were as obviously and clearly evil as many on the left claim, Hollywood could never get away with having the good guys employ them. Harrison Ford in the Tom Clancy movies would never torture wholly innocent and underserving victims for the same reasons he wouldn't beat his kids or hurl racial epithets at black people. But given sufficient time to lay out the context and inform the viewers of the stakes, as well as Ford's motives, the audience not only understands but applauds his actions. Of course it's just a movie. But the movie is tapping into and reflecting the popular moral sentiments. Think of these scenes as elaborate hypothetical situations in the debate about torture and interrogation that are acted out and played before focus groups of normal Americans.
It comes as a bit of a surprise that a member of the editorial staff of the National Review would let Hollywood define the ideal of moral behavior, but there you have it. The idea that we are willing to watch people (or as Goldberg calls them, 'the good guys') torture people in movies and TV shows because we believe it morally right is absurd. Such practices in the contexts depicted are sometimes revenge fantasies, sometimes queasy making, sometimes exciting, sometimes shocking, and yes, these feelings are attempts to tap into common sentiments (just as Hollywood taps into lust, greed, envy, and the remaining deadly sins). But what conservative is willing to believe that movies tap into common morality? Should we really emulate Harrison Ford in Patriot Games and shoot someone in the kneecap to get information? Unlike the movies, we have no real guarantee that our victim will then tell the truth. And unlike in the movies, there are legal consequences for such drastic action. This is what's happening now. Evidence is coming out that interrogators used techniques that were illegal, even if you buy that all of the Bush DOE's writings about 'enhanced interrogation' are correct and binding. Goldberg's argument against this is essentially, "Jack Ryan (or Jack Bauer) did it, too, and most people think Jack Ryan (or Bauer) kicks ass."
Really, what's the point of arguing rationally against something like this?